Even Pastors Deconstruct - Touchy Subjects Podcast

Episode 3

Published on:

13th Aug 2023

Even Pastors Deconstruct

In this episode, Erin has a candid conversation with Andrew Blaylock, Brad Klausman, and Christopher Richardson, who share their experiences and perspectives on deconstruction within the church.

We explore the stigma around deconstruction, the importance of fostering safe spaces for questions, and ways the church can better support those navigating this journey.

Key Takeaways:

Deconstruction and Church Stigma:

  • Deconstruction within the church is often stigmatized, but it's important to recognize that even pastors undergo periods of questioning and deconstruction.
  • The conversation aims to break down the stigma surrounding deconstruction and encourage an open dialogue.

Embracing Questions:

  • The Bible encourages asking questions, seeking, and knocking, suggesting that it's okay not to have all the answers.
  • Distinguishing between the teachings of Jesus and the teachings of the church is essential to address discrepancies and misconceptions.

Relevant Resources for Deconstruction:

  • Personal experiences with deconstruction have led to the discovery of resources that aid in the process, such as books like Rob Bell's "What is the Bible?" and Andy Stanley's "Irresistible."
  • The Liturgist podcast, which features honest discussions on deconstruction, offers comfort to those going through similar experiences.

Creating a Safe Space:

  • The church can foster a safe environment for deconstruction by embracing doubts, providing a platform for open conversations, and acknowledging that faith journeys vary.
  • A balance is needed between affirming core beliefs and allowing room for diverse perspectives.

Truth Telling and Accountability:

  • A crucial step toward creating a safe space is for the church to be transparent about its history, acknowledging past mistakes and abuse.
  • Accountability and honesty are key to rebuilding trust within the congregation.

Support and Love Throughout Deconstruction:

  • Deconstruction is a natural part of growth, and individuals going through it should know they are loved and supported, regardless of where their journey takes them.
  • Deconstruction can lead to personal growth and an enhanced understanding of faith.


Deconstruction within the church should be met with compassion, support, and a commitment to truth. Creating safe spaces for questions and doubts is crucial for personal growth and strengthening the church community.

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Touchy Subjects Podcast
The Touchy Subjects Podcast has been designed to unpack the proverbial elephants in the Church- i.e. the topics no one wants to talk about! We want to create space for an open dialogue on issues like social justice, mental health, women in leadership, homosexuality, legalism, and more. 

The panelists that are speaking on this podcast have been intentionally chosen to tell their story from their perspective without censorship. Some panelists are pastors or church leaders, some panelists are deconstructing their faith, and some panelists are subject matter experts on a topic whose guidance can help this audience.

Our mission is not to expose the Church, but to have conversations that will open eyes, open ears and open hearts toward growth, healing, and unity.

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Erin Billings

Erin is the owner of CLIQ Management, a luxury done-for-you content creation and media management services agency. Erin gained her expertise working in the music industry for over ten years as a professional musician, music director, and producer working with artists from American Idol, The Voice, and Tony and Grammy Award-winning artists.

As a pastor's kid and church music director for over 15 years, Erin witnessed great things as well as experienced tumultuous times in the church, which led to her deconstructing her faith. Because of this, she has started the Touchy Subjects Podcast.